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### Sec 1. Collective Property ### Sec 1. Collective Property
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Rissa commented 2024-07-12 18:35:29 +00:00
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I'm a little concerned about maintaining a division between personal IP and collective IP; I'm not suggesting that I want to retain rights to something used by the collective, but I don't want to accidentally, implicitly, transfer rights by offering an anecdote from a personal project during a brainstorming session. I'm not sure, however, that there's any cleaner way to deal with the issue than not to share such an anecdote.

I'm a little concerned about maintaining a division between personal IP and collective IP; I'm not suggesting that I want to retain rights to something used by the collective, but I don't want to accidentally, implicitly, transfer rights by offering an anecdote from a personal project during a brainstorming session. I'm not sure, however, that there's any cleaner way to deal with the issue than not to share such an anecdote.
krampus commented 2024-07-12 22:17:32 +00:00
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I agree. I really hate the typical software company IP agreements -- y'know, where you get five lines to list every idea you've ever had, and everything else now legally belongs to your employer. I want to embed a policy of respecting individual members' lives outside the collective into the constitution, and that includes rights to personal IP. The idea with the Collective Property section is to establish a very permissive IP policy right from the start. To that end, I wouldn't be terribly opposed to making it more permissive -- I'll follow up with some ideas on that in the chat.

That said, the collective needs to own its own intellectual property, because we need to prepare the collective to exist as a legal entity within a legal system that believes in and enforces private ownership of intellectual property. That's why I think we need to assert in clear terms from the start that "something is owned by the Collective" and "something is collectively owned by the members of the collective body" are equivalent terms. Whenever we incorporate, we'll want an IP lawyer to look over this and tell me that I'm an idiot and all of this means nothing, then tell us how to actually write it.

(yes, I still think the entire idea of "intellectual property" is deeply puerile and idiotic. unfortunately we live in a world that is also puerile and idiotic and thinks ideas can be owned by people.)

I agree. I really hate the typical software company IP agreements -- y'know, where you get five lines to list every idea you've ever had, and everything else now legally belongs to your employer. I want to embed a policy of respecting individual members' lives outside the collective into the constitution, and that includes rights to personal IP. The idea with the _Collective Property_ section is to establish a very permissive IP policy right from the start. To that end, I wouldn't be terribly opposed to making it _more_ permissive -- I'll follow up with some ideas on that in the chat. That said, the collective needs to own its own intellectual property, because we need to prepare the collective to exist as a legal entity within a legal system that believes in and enforces private ownership of intellectual property. That's why I think we need to assert in clear terms from the start that "something is owned by the Collective" and "something is collectively owned by the members of the collective body" are equivalent terms. Whenever we incorporate, we'll want an IP lawyer to look over this and tell me that I'm an idiot and all of this means nothing, then tell us how to _actually_ write it. (yes, I still think the entire idea of "intellectual property" is deeply puerile and idiotic. unfortunately we live in a world that is also puerile and idiotic and thinks ideas can be owned by people.)
krampus commented 2024-07-13 01:45:53 +00:00
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How do you feel about the updated version as of 8ccb8ceb9b ?

How do you feel about the updated version as of 8ccb8ceb9b ?
Rissa commented 2024-07-13 03:36:10 +00:00
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I suppose I should say something in addition to marking the conversation resolved. I think we've worked out my concerns; basically we're now asking to explicitly assign rights to the collective at the outset of related work.

I suppose I should say something in addition to marking the conversation resolved. I think we've worked out my concerns; basically we're now asking to explicitly assign rights to the collective at the outset of related work.
1. All intellectual property created or discovered jointly by two or 1. All intellectual property created or discovered by a member of the
more members of the collective body (in any proportion) during the collective body and contributed to a project shall be the
course of any of the aforementioned members' association with the collective intellectual property of the Intrusive Thoughts Creative
collective body shall be the collective intellectual property of Collective, with all present and future rights, title, and interest
the Intrusive Thoughts Creative Collective, with all present and assigned to the Collective, unless otherwise stated at the time of
future rights, title, and interest assigned to the Collective. contribution.
1. _Intellectual property_ includes, but is not limited to, code, 1. _Intellectual property_ includes, but is not limited to, code,
graphical assets, sound assets, algorithms, concepts, graphical assets, sound assets, algorithms, concepts,
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trade secrets, as well as the tangible embodiments trade secrets, as well as the tangible embodiments
(e.g. drawings, notes) of any intangible items. (e.g. drawings, notes) of any intangible items.
2. When starting a project, any preliminary intellectual property
intended to become part of that project must be relinquished to
the Collective by its owner(s) before the collective body may
contribute to the project.
2. All assets owned by the Intrusive Thoughts Game Collective are 2. All assets owned by the Intrusive Thoughts Game Collective are
collectively owned by the collective body. This includes virtual collectively owned by the collective body. This includes virtual
assets such as intellectual property, as well as material assets assets such as intellectual property, as well as material assets